update

I'm just picking things up again after a sizeable break, mainly due to work and awful weather!!

The weather is still awful but fortunately work has relented a little bit.

I am in the process of setting up a website to house all things stinky pipe - following on from the aborted attempt about a year ago. I also have a MASSIVE database of stinkpipes I need to add to the map - it will probably take all year. Will also try to visit as many of those stinkpipes as I cna through the year - and add to the database as I go along. I will also look for a way to publish the database on the net so all stinkpipe fans can get stuck in too.

Also have a backlog of correspondence to get through - I thank you for your patience - all input is deeply appreciated and will be acknowledged. Eventually.

The blog will keep rolling on for the forseeable future as I find it useful to mark my sporadic progress and to show fairly instantly, anything new or interesting I discover.

I will also be looking for  way of embedding my interactive map - I have no flipping idea how to do it. Previous attempts have all failed!

The 2013 stinkpipe hunting season begins

I've been out on my bike, with my stinkpipe collecting kit, and have come back mainly with ones I already knew about but had, oddly, disappeared into the nether region of time gone past.

I managed to delete a sizeable portion of my stinkpipe archive a couple of years back and memory also seems to dump stuff it deems unimportant. Stinkpipes unimportant. As if!!

Avery Hill Road

So to get back into the swing of it, and because it was a rare sunny day, I cycled around my locality to mop up a few stragglers, and to update a few that I hadn't seen in about 7 or 8 years. Blimey, has it been that long?

Here's my new pics - click on the link to be whisked off to my Picasa albums

New Eltham
in New Eltham I rounded up aone I'd seen on my travels, on Avery Hill road; and discovered an entirely new one on Leysdown Road.

Mottingham
In Mottingham I rephotographed the one by the BP garage, and Court Farm Lane, and for the first time, the three on Dunkery Road.

Bromley
Revisited the Kings Avenue pipe, to see it has been repainted. I think it used to be white.

Catford
photographed all the Catford High Street pipes for the first time (below). The old photos were quite poor, taken from a car I believe. this time I got up close. Also found three entirely new ones, including a type of Ham Baker never seen before. a sort of missing link of stinkpipe evolution!

Greenwich
another one I'd sen but never photographed, In the middle of a short stretch of busy dual carriageway. It's of a design I've never seen before (right).

Woolwich
Three I pass regularly but have never stopped to photograph - nothing stunning, except that one appears to be half buried in the pavement!

Catford

Greenwich

Stinkpipes of St Albans / Finchley

These pics and descriptions of stinkpipes were received through our Facebook account "London Stinkpipes"

thanks to Andrew Smith, via Facebook

One of many in the Finchley area by J RODGERS of WATFORD This one on Finchley High Rd is the famous "OLD SMOKEY" which is the best preserved example of the many in Finchley.

HATFIELD RD ST ALBANS HAM BAKER

BELMONT HILL ST ALBANS HAM BAKER

That third one looks a bit like the one I photographed in Welling...

The History of the Stinkpipe

The Great Stink [BBC, ]
After Thomas Crapper’s groundbreaking invention around 1850, public water closets became increasingly commonplace in London. Eventually the primitive sewers of the time could not cope with the volume of faeces and it came to standstill. A great festering, stinky standstill, known from then till now as The Great Stink, which occurred during June of 1858. Faeces was backed up everywhere. There was no escape, even Parliament suffered.


New Sewage System
Two engineers were called in to solve the problem. Joseph Bazalgette was given £3m to build a sewer network that did not deposit London’s personal effluent into the Thames and he ended up spending over £20m.
Sir Goldsworthy Gurney, of Cornwall, was the other. He was asked to do something about the smell emanating from the sewers. His solution was to  attach a pipe to the sewer, strapped it up the side of Big Ben's clock tower and stood at the top with a match.
Another source relates the following: He thought he could burn off the noxious gases [sewer gas]. So he connected the main Victorian sewer to the chimney in the Clock Tower of the Houses of Parliament. 


Christopher Jones in his book, 'The Great Palace of Westminster' takes up the story.

"Unfortunately the gases would not light. Next, Gurney put a coal fire at the base of the Clock Tower and tried again; this time the gases burned. One day though when Mr Joseph Bazalgette, the chief engineerat the Metropolitan Board of Works, was examining the pipe that led from the main sewer to the Clock Tower, he discovered that there was a leak from a fractured coal-gas pipe into the sewer, and only a trap-door in the sewer was stopping the coal-gas from reaching the furnace at the bottom of the Clock Tower. There had already been one small explosion, although no one was hurt and no damage done. If the full blast of coal-gas and sewer gas had reached the furnace, then the chances are that the Clock Tower would have taken off for the moon, and the rest of the Palace would have been destroyed with it. Gurney, who so nearly blew up the Palace of Westminster, died knighted and respected in his bed. Guy Fawkes, a bumbling plotter of ludicrous incompetence, died in excruciating agony on the scaffold not far away, in Old Palace Yard."

and tantalisingly, but with little detail, and no evidence:

“Not everyone realises that Britain's iconic symbol, the Westminster Clock, not only serves as national timekeeper but as a sewer ventilation chimney.”

So any further info on that would be gratefully received!


Joseph Bazalgette designed an extensive underground sewerage system that diverted waste to the Thames Estuary, downstream of the main centre of population. Six main interceptor sewers, totalling almost 100 miles (160 km) in length, were constructed between 1859 and 1865, some incorporating stretches of London's 'lost' rivers.

Sewers north of the Thames feed into the Northern Outfall Sewer, which feeds into a major treatment works at Beckton. South of the river, the Southern Outfall Sewer extends to a similar facility at Crossness.


However, while parliament and the great and the good were saved from the horrific stink, Bazalgette's work had not solved the problem entirely. 

Despite Bazalgette’s ingenuity, the system still dumped tons of raw sewage into the Thames - sometimes with unfortunate results. The death toll from the sinking of the pleasure boat Princess Alice in 1878 would certainly have been smaller if it had sunk elsewhere on the Thames. As it was, it went down close to one of the main sewage outfalls. Approximately 640 passengers died, many poisoned rather than drowned. Horror at the deaths was instrumental in the building of a series of riverside sewage treatment plants. [Science Museum]

Stinkpipes
Clearly, Gurney’s ventilation pipe principle was put into practice along much of the length of the Victorian sewers, as you can still see the pipes in place today more or less following the route of the main sewers and on many of the connecting sewers too.

"The gas is mainly hydrogen sulphide and it gives that rotten eggs smell, " said Gary Paley, of Darlington, who has been a sewerage engineer for 18 years in Yorkshire. "It usually occurs when sewage is being pumped long distances. It can become septic as it does not travel from A to B quick enough. It can also occur in flat areas where the speed of flow is slower."The gas will eat concrete if not dealt with. I remember that the sewer near the racecourse in Thirsk had been almost totally eaten by the gas and just the reinforcing bars from inside the concrete pipes were left. "

So the sewers were vented.

The pipes had to be tall so the noxious fumes escaped way above nose-level, and the Victorians were given a new canvas on which to show off their casting skills. As sewer gases can be heavier than air, it was necessary for the wind to disperse them before they could settle at ground level.

A number of manufacturers were able to build and supply the ventilation pipes, usually with ornate designs, probably massively over-engineered, and many ,many of which survive in place to the present day.

Companies such as J.Stone and co, founded in 1842 by Josiah Stone, George Preston and John Prestige. Marine, railway and general engineers, based in Deptford, London. Henry Edie and Co of Bow Foundry, in east London, established in 1843, AC Woodrow & Co; Frederick Bird & Co West Drayton near London, engineers; Ham Baker.


More about them next time.


sources:
The Northern Echo

May Round-up

I missed posting a May round-up, but I certainly had a few items to go in it. so here they are!

an article in the Northern Echo which discusses stinkpipes up in the frozen north.

A stinkpipe here in Southwark, South London which I've known about for a while now, but have only just photographed. It's on Union Street, near where it joins the A300 road to Southwark Bridge. A fine specimen.

Email from a Lambeth stinkpipe appreciator

Hi

I have just stumbled across your blog.    As part of a pilot project in 2009, we painted a couple of the stench pipes in Lambeth.     We were then successful in getting some match funding from Thames Water and will be painting another 30 this year.

We have quite a few different types in Lambeth.  My favourites are the J Stone examples that still have their crown.

I have always been intrigued as to why there are so many different styles and have never been able to find out much about their history.

I attach a couple of lists in case you’re interested.    One was compiled provided by a man called Tony Nunn and covers the whole of London.   The other is our Lambeth one that shows the stench pipes we are painting.

Glad I am not alone in appreciating these marvellous structures!

Cheers

George

I Am Not A Number

 This is a first. A stinkpipe with a number! See the photo below. I don't think I missed numbers on previous ones, but maybe i did.

Has anyone else seen a stinkpipe with a number on it?

embossed number 99 / 0165

A Seriously Neglected Ham Baker

What makes this discovery even more remarkable, in my opinion, is that I have been cycling past it for over three years and only today noticed it. But it is true to say that stinkpipes can remain unseen until they want to be discovered. And this one really bided its time!

March Roundup & Update

Hello to all stinkpipe appreciators!

An unusual one to start. Here's a band in the United Sates called Stinkpipe. what a brilliant name for a band!

Nothing to with the subject at hand, mind you, so I shall continue.

And on March 25th friend of this blog, "Anomalies of Lost Street Furniture" blogged about a big old stinkpipe she found on Bellenden Road. It looks very much like a J.Stone & Co to me. all in orginal condition - more pics if you click the link above.

Source: anomalies of lost street furniture

Anomalies Of Lost Street Furniture: Bellenden Road Stink Pipe

Anomalies Of Lost Street Furniture: Bellenden Road Stink Pipe:

'via Blog this'

February Round-Up part 1

My first pick of the month is from the "Faded London" blog and was posted back in 2008. 
He takes a rather controversial view of the function of stinkpipes, without any evidence as far as I can tell, so as I have no evidence to the contrary, only hearsay, you make your own minds up.

to be honest I've a feeling it's a bit of a misnomer. After all could it really be possible that the manufacturers of London's sewage system would build in, at regular intervals, outlet pipes to waft the sickly -sweet hints of sewage across the neighbourhood? I doubt it. Actually, I believe that they were installed almost as 'safety valves' to prevent any dangerous increase in air pressure in sections of the tunnel. 

that said, I do have my own take on this. Firstly, the Victorians did not have modern standards of hygiene and had no environmental legislation to prevent smells and other nuisances. Even with nasty odours spewing out of these pipes, it would have been a big step forward from the old open sewers which had existed in living memory. Even in Dickens' times cities were very smelly places. Phil Stride, the head of London Tideway Tunnels, Thames Water, talks specifically about "odour control equipment" or lack of, in this article too.
Secondly, if there weren't noxious odours coming out of the pipes, why were they built so high. If they only spewed clean air then they could just have left holes in the ground with grating, like backward drains. No - think Faded London is quite quite wrong there...

This picture accompanied the post:

source: Faded London Blog

Stinkpipes were identified in Merton Road, and Southey Road, in Wimbledon, Lambton Road, Raynes Park, Vicarage Road, Hampton Wick and Garrat Lane, Wandsworth. 

Describing the slightly unusual pipe seen in Southey Road, Faded London goes on to say:

this unit was adapted to take an early electric light. Now very much defunct, I believe this design would date back to the early years of the last century, with the small pices of mirror reflecting the light back on the assers-by(sic) below

I like the idea that such a thing as "assers-by" exist in the leafy suburbs of Wimbeldon.

Putting Stinkpipes On the Map

Stinkpipe Map - Latest version

I was out around Chiswick, Shepherd's Bush and Hammersmith this week where, it turns out, the streets are swarming with stinkpipes.

A reminder that this was the location for Steptoe & Son

A new stinkipipe design

it had its name plaque - attached but corroded

then I saw this giant

complete with a name plaque

Henry Edie & Co, The Bow Foundry

and this which I'd already seen in the south east

AC Woodrow & Co

and this

Stinkpipe Round-up: January

I'm thinking of making this a regular monthly feature, assuming there continues to be plenty of material....

Thames Water made more than a passing reference to Victorian stinkpipes on its website

"On his way back from the Boat Race in Chiswick, the Head of London Tideway Tunnels spotted the original feature (pictured), now shrouded by a tree, close to the Hounslow/Hammersmith border.

Unlike the ones being designed to ensure that air can flow through the proposed Thames Tunnel, the Victorians’ structures did not include any odour control equipment."

I found this on here - an online photo archive
It's in North Finchley....

Horsham Avenue, N12

http://www.friern-barnet.com/picture/number2236.asp
http://www.friern-barnet.com/picture/number2611.asp

These surfaced on the Geograph website
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/345482
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/120337

a cluster of Adams Hydraulics in Ireland
http://www.geograph.ie/photo/2392786

In Fulham on the A3219 / Dawes Road
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/864624

In Leamington Spa:

Leamington Spa

http://www.yourlocalweb.co.uk/warwickshire/royal-leamington-spa/pictures/page17/

a stinkpipes in Kent discussion here
http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=3759.0

Ch ch ch changes

early Ham Baker

typical later Ham Baker

Winter is kind of off season for stinkpipe hunting, in my opinion at least. The dark evenings and the cold temperatures make tramping about on suburban streets, photographing the finer details of Victorian street furniture, a little difficult. People seem far more likely to be suspicious of that strange person photographing - what? a lamp post? after dusk? So I come to rely more on the archive material, my own, and anything I can find on the world wide web. Therefore, and in order to shoe horn in a song title by David Bowie whose birthday it is this Sunday, I am reflecting on the ch ch ch changes in the design of a stinkpipe that has evolved over the years.

Today I'm taking a look at the Ham Baker. First though, just to remind you of what a Ham Baker looks like - you see examples above, on the left and on the right.

Already you can differences, but these two are also very similar.

and here's a close up of the name plate. The one on the left is near Oval, and you've got to look pretty hard to see the legend on there. On the right is how its supposed to look, this one positioned out in the wilds of London Borough of Bexley. 

So we move on what I presume was the earlier design - with a little bit of a pattern. Nice.

and I believe this to be the oldest design, this one found in Camberwell. There is no name anywhere on this one: 

And finally - here's the design towards the bottom of the pipe here...entirely gone in the later version. cost cutting I guess.

I will try to find other examples of design changes as I collect more examples.

I would also like to assure my readers that this stinkpipe blog is still very much alive and there is a lot of work currently going on in the background to consolidate and examine the data I have already collected.

Keep on stinkpiping!!

River Quaggy & apology

Various factors including a knee injury, pressure of work, etc, have prevented me from pursuing stinkpipes during the last few months.
I have a few different bits of London to visit including Clapham, Chiswick, Hampstead. And I still have archived sightings to place on the map. All this should happen over Xmas as I have many many days off work with little else to do, apart from my tax return. so as a displacement activity expect the Stinkpipes site to update rapdily before the end of January.

In the meantime, although not strictly stinkpipes, I do consider exporation of London's lost or hidden water-ways to be well within our remit. So here's an interesting video.



From the youTube site:

Internal Networkz is the first in a series of video documentaries exploring the capitols connecting wild corridors, such as its rivers and train lines. In this first volume, the viewer comes with us on a journey as we explore the path of the river Quaggy. We pick up the route at its end, where it flows into the River Ravensbourne at Lewisham Train Station. We follow it where it passes underground at the police station and on, through suburban parks and the backs of houses through south east london. 
Unknown to us at the time, as we traveled up river, riots came to the streets of Lewisham. We keep to the river and slip through the world above us unnoticed. 
We explore and study the secret markings left under bridges. We look for links and clues of London's underground legends and mythologies. In particular, for traces of 'The Lewisham Natureman', a mysterious character from South East London 'Graff' folklore. He has never been seen and only appears through the tiny symbol [often carved] which can be found in the wild corners and corridors of the capitol, mainly in Lewisham and her surrounding boroughs. The symbol is that of a crown, formed from a circle of figures holding hands [like the crown used in the logo of Lewisham borough] , with a single dandelion growing through it. 
Some say he is not a man at all but some kind of spirit of nature. A contemporary, urban Green Man or Herne, who walks in these wild places where the weeds grow. 

The small tag has also been linked to another figure in local street folklore; Solomon Wild. 
Solomon is believed to be some kind of urban explorer / amateur scientist of London's wild cracks, he is thought to be conducting a ongoing study into The Lewisham Natureman legend. But some believe the two are in fact the same person and Solomon is the one leaving these tags. Either in attempt to propagate the myth, keeping it alive and fake his own results. Another version describes Solomon as not a scientist but as a vagrant herbalist and shaman, who uses these places to rest and grown his herbs and food. The hidden tag is said to be a simple and discreet 'i was here' message to his friends and those who know where to look. 

There are many legends on the underground.

Some Potentially Confusing changes

I have swapped over the urls to my blogs. This one is now stinkpipes.blogspot and the other one is now stenchpipes.blogspot. Either way - this is the one you should be reading and there'll be a link to here from there.

Understand?

Beckenham - The Avenue

I received a heads up that there were some rather nice stinkpipes in Beckenham, on the Avenue. So I used my new favourite tool to find pictures - Google Streetview. Here they are. They do look rather sexy, and in very good condition. I understand these were used to burn the gas off and provide street lighting. 

My aim is to get down there as soon as I can and get some proper pics with my new camera. 

New Logo

I thought this would make a rather nice badge, even t-shirt. Might do a love stinkpipes version too. If anyone would like a stinkpipe T shirt then I'm up for doing them - just let me know by one of the usual methods.

Facebook

A quickie just to let you know we now have a Facebook page, and are in need of a few friends, so don't be shy. Befriend a stinkpipe today!

Our Facebook account is called London Stinkpipes

Plans

I have about 30 stinkpipes mapped, which is almost insignificant. There are 158 in Lambeth alone, apparently. So I realise it's time to get out there and start searching. The best way to do this is on a bike, and so I'll be slipping on the lycra and peddling off around Bromley & Bexley this Sunday, hoping to find undiscovered gems.
Lambeth will have to wait for another day unfortunately.
I still have loads in the archive to map, but it might genuinely be quicker to start from fresh - I have an idea where there are many to be found, eg, around shooters hill to Plumstead there's a little cluster of them, still unmapped.
People do look at me a bit funny while I'm photographing the stinkpipes, but I try to look all municipal and official as if I might be a surveyor - it's the look I adopt at work and it usually works.

Concrete Stinkpipe

As a break from the usual iron-work we see on these pages, here's a bit of an oddity. Funnily enough, it's very close to where I currently reside, and I see a couple of times every day, but it's taken me three years to get around to photographing it. I've not seen one like this anywhere else, and can't imagine why a concrete version would ever be built. But here it is in all it's glory, on New Road, just off the A209 in Welling.

Oh, and thanks for the comments received. I usually deal with them / absorb / digest / respond, etc at the weekend. So don't think I'm ignoring you. All contributions are very gratefully received.

Stinkpipe Map

Further to my revelation over the weekend, I have now fixed by GPS the position of several stinkpipes in the Welling, Wickham, Plumstead area. The fruits of my work can be seen on this map.

Another success, the previously mentioned stinkpipe near Blackheath station has now been located using Google Streetview. This is good use of technology allowing me to remote-view Stinkpipes anywhere in London!

 The Blackheath stinkpipe turns out to be a fairly mediocre Ham Baker design, in rather poor condition. Of course, a trip out to view the actual object will still be necessary. It might be a rare variation with slightly different designs. Unlikely though.

If you wish to contribute to the map, then continue to send sightings in to me in the traditional manner, email, Twitter, via the Blog, or even on Facebook (more on this later).
But if you want to be really fancy pants then you can locate it on your smartphone using footprints or a similar app, and then send me the data file as an attachment, to stinkpipes@gmail.com
I shall be eternally grateful!

Free Android App Is Useful Shock Horror!

Ovr the weekend I remembered an app that came with my smartphone earlier in the year. It's called "footprints" and allows you to take a snap of a thing which is then mapped using Google Maps. I thought it was utterly useless at the time, and merely used it to find out the geo coordinates of a couple of well known London landmarks not because I needed to, but because I could.

Then over the weekend I had a flash of inspiration, perhaps much like St Paul on his way to Damascus, though not so traumatic.

I could use this Footprints app to locate stinkpipes. The idea is just so simple.

So today I'm disapointed to see that you cannot then access this info on a computer; but there is an export button, so presumably I can get those coordinates off the phone and onto a digital map.

Well watch this space - I mapped three stinkpipes this morning, unfortunately missed one - you try snapping stinkpipes from a fast moving bus!!

Correspondence: Chiswick Stink-pipes

It's always nice to get mail. In the week we received this from Sarah, who also very kindly attached a few photographs she took of the stink-pipes in question. I've included them below:

Dear Stinkpipes,

I attach pictures of two stinkpipes found along the river in the vicinity of the Chiswick Eyot, between Hammersmith and Barnes.

The first pipe (A) is found at the intersection of Hammersmith Terrace / Chiswick Mall /Eyot Gardens.
The second (B) is further west on Chiswick Mall and seem to be located in one of the riverside gardens, so only its top is easily visible.

I would also like to give you my heartfelt thanks, having spent long hours (ok, minutes) conversing with various acquaintances about the possible purposes of the 'fat lamppost' I'd passed. On the night I saw your presence on twitter I was all set out to go out and stick a post-it note on aforesaid pipe reading "please, what is this for?" before you enlightened me.
Best wishes etc.

Stinkpipe A (base)

Stinkpipe A (base)

Stinkpipe A

Stinkpipe A

Stinkpipe B

This looks to be a pretty fine specimen with all original pipe and connections from the base to the crown. although it does look to be in need of some loving care and attention. SP B here is not the first I've come across in a private garden. Yes it does make life a little difficult for London Stinkpipes. One day we're just going to have go a house-calling!

Thankyou Sarah, I hope that's not the last we hear from you.